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Thanks for checking out the Nik Hawks Show, where my general mandate is to follow the pursuit of excellence. 

My background is in business, adventure, the military, athletic challenges, and working with world class athletes.

Those are all starting points for my guests, though not always.  I've talked to cryptographers, sleep scientists, authors, reporters, climbers, and adventurers.

All of them have useful insight for YOU, which is the reason I make the show public.  

Whether we're talking about cryptocurrency or rowing a boat across the Atlantic, my idea was to share the conversations I was having with radical people.  Lately I've been adding in my own thoughts in separate Nik-i-sodes.


I started this podcast in 2014, but it wasn't called The Nik Hawks Show. My wife Lee and I own the company Paleo Treats, so I called the show the Paleo Treats Podcast.

Over the course of 50+ episodes it became apparent that the podcast didn’t really have anything to do with Paleo. Sometime around episode 58, based on feedback from listeners and iTunes reviews, I decided to change the name to reflect what I was actually talking about.

That should catch you up to speed for now.  

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Thanks for listening!

Nik Hawks

Mar 20, 2019

This episode with Massimiliano (Max) de Zambotti came about when I found his paper on comparing the Oura ring against the gold standard of sleep assessment, polysomnography.  

Being the curious type, I clicked his name on the Pubmed link and found a whole list of papers he's worked on.  As it turns out, he studies insomnia up at SRI and is deeply and narrowly focused on understanding mechanisms of insomnia.

We cover wearable sleep tech and how accurate it is, where it's accurate vs where it ain't, and then dove into his work, from adolescent insomnia to menopausal insomnia. 

If you missed some of the big words, or the list of what behaviors have the biggest effect on sleep (hint:  It's not the top secret cold water keto rainbow cure), or you just want to remember what Max's favorite strategies for sleep are without having to take notes every 7 seconds, sign up at the Deep Diver level on my Patreon feed.

Finally, before we hung up the phone I asked him if there is any technology he sees coming down the pipe.  I'll put that bonus episode (just under 9 minutes long and covering 2 wild pieces of tech he's excited about) on Patreon for my Patrons only.   Thank you for your support!